i supported jesse jackson in '84 and in '88. and in '88 we registered a lot of people in new york city that voted for jesse. those same people came out and voted for me in '89. so i recognize they owe a large degree of my success not only to him but to many others, especially percy sutton who in 1977 said to me one day he was going to run for mayor. i said really? mayor of new york? i mean, black man running for mayor? because percy always had vision. >> he paved the way. >> oh, no question about it. when hillary ran for the senate here in new york, as you will recall, there were those that suggested she was a carpet bagger and on and on. but charlie rangel and i and a lot of others supported her candidacy. >> mr. mayor, the reaction from people when you said, i'm supporting hillary clinton over barack obama. how did that go down? >> well, they're not often but there were those who said, how can you support the lady against the brother? and i said, friendship and loyalty. she and bill clinton had been kind and helpful to me. and